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George

Greece
615 Posts

Posted - 28 Oct 2011 :  18:29:42  

 

I thought about your study as I was reading Natural Law and Divine Law — The Objective Foundations of Morality, a chapter from The Greatness of Christianity, A book by Dinesh D'Souza. Other chapters of the same book may also be useful to you. Kind regards.

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Aristokles

USA
44 Posts

Posted - 28 Oct 2011 :  19:14:13  

 

Actually George, this additional project of ellopos.net is more than useful for all of us. Many, many thanks for this new (to me) resource.

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WHEELER

USA
69 Posts

Posted - 09 Dec 2011 :  13:52:41  

 

Back again. In my readings, I have only read the Republic trans. by Jowett. I liked it a lot. Never went to anything else. I have Edith Hamilton's Platonic Dialogues. She has Paul Shorey as her translator here.

Because I stuck with Jowett, I ran across "according to nature". I am now just reading Shorey's translation in Hamilton. And he has this

428e. "Then it is by virtue of its smallest class [the philosopher guardians] . . . and the wisdom () that resides therein, in the part which takes the lead and rules, that a city established on principles of nature would be wise () as a whole."

(Which I didn't have to retype because you have it on your site already here : www.ellopos.net/elpenor/koinonia/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=321" target="_blank">https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/koinonia/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=321 )

Now, I got burned last time. Is it "kata physi" or is it "principles of nature" and if so what is the Greek? This is important.

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George

Greece
615 Posts

Posted - 09 Dec 2011 :  14:30:40  

 

Glad you continue with your studies Wheeler. The phrase you ask for is "kata physin". Here is your complete sentence: 428.e.7-9 Τῷ σμικροτάτῳ ἄρα ἔθνει καὶ μέρει ἑαυτῆς καὶ τῇ ἐν τούτῳ ἐπιστήμῃ͵ τῷ προεστῶτι καὶ ἄρχοντι͵ ὅλη σοφὴ ἂν εἴη κατὰ φύσιν οἰκισθεῖσα πόλις.

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WHEELER

USA
69 Posts

Posted - 09 Dec 2011 :  14:55:14  

 

I was going to post a link with the list of the real original natural laws and I forgot to do so.

Here is the link to the real original natural laws

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