ALCIBIADES (I) by Plato - Complete text

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Soc.: And the only difference between one who argues as we are doing, and the orator who is addressing an assembly, is that the one seeks to persuade a number, and the other an individual, of the same things.

Alc.: I suppose so.

Soc.: Well, then, since the same person who can persuade a multitude can persuade individuals, try conclusions upon me, and prove to me that the just is not always expedient.

Alc.: You take liberties, Socrates.

Soc.: I shall take the liberty of proving to you the opposite of that which you will not prove to me.

Alc.: Proceed.

Soc.: Answer my questions—that is all.

Alc.: Nay, I should like you to be the speaker.

Soc.: What, do you not wish to be persuaded?

Alc.: Certainly I do.

Soc.: And can you be persuaded better than out of your own mouth?

Alc.: I think not.

Soc.: Then you shall answer; and if you do not hear the words, that the just is the expedient, coming from your own lips, never believe another man again.

Alc.: I won't; but answer I will, for I do not see how I can come to any harm.

Soc.: A true prophecy! Let me begin then by enquiring of you whether you allow that the just is sometimes expedient and sometimes not?

Alc.: Yes.

Soc.: And sometimes honourable and sometimes not?

Alc.: What do you mean?

Soc.: I am asking if you ever knew any one who did what was dishonourable and yet just?

Alc.: Never.

Soc.: All just things are honourable?

Alc.: Yes.

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